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January 11 Minutes: Schools of the Future Committee

Time: 7:00 - 9:25 pm 
Location: Ed Center Auditorium
Present: Members:  Virginia Thompson, Chris Pryor, Emily Schue, Jim Torrey, Beth Gerot, Craig Smith, Marilyn Thielke, Dave Hauser, Bonnie Costabile, Ann Vaughn, Jan Payton Oliver, Marty Kaufman, Paul Duchin.  Staff:  George Russell, David Piercy, Tom Henry.  Coordinator and facilitator:  Evie Matthews, Margot Helphand.
Absent: Susan Ban, Bern Johnson, Art Paz, Bob Nardo, Mac McFadden, Phil Barnhart, Mike Fox, La Homa Bautista.
Notetaker: Donna McNeil, Volunteer Secretary
Time Topic Presenter
7:00-7:10

Welcome, Public Comment, Review of the Agenda 

Virginia welcomed everyone, expressing the hope that everyone had good holidays, survived Y2K without worries, and happy new year.  Co--chair Susan Ban is traveling and will not be present.

There was no public comment.

Margot stated that we would hear presentations from the Facilities, Resources and School Choice task groups, following  the same process as the last meeting.   She requested groups limit their presentations to 45 minutes, after which there would be opportunity for questions and dialogue.

Each group was asked to address these questions in their presentations:

1. What are the primary issues or focus of your task group?  Have you broadened it?
2. What are the primary sources or references you are using?  Have you gone to the broader community to gather input?
3. Are you beginning to see overlaps and/or gaps in the areas with which you are dealing?
4. Given the unique characteristics of the Eugene School District, what design or characteristics do you see emerging?
Virginia Thompson, Margot Helphand
7:10-7:55

Facilities Task Group

Bill Hirsh first described the diversity of the task group, which includes district facilities staff, contractors, architects, parents, planners, public works staff, realtors, a psychologist, a counselor, and a specialist with the Eugene Police Department whose specialty is school building security.  While the task group does not have specific recommendations at this time, they do have a list of issues to pursue, divided into four categories. < Follow this link to see list: http://www.4j.lane.edu/future/facilities/dec6.html > Subcommittees assigned to each category listed concerns and ideas related to these topics that they would like to pursue further.

Primary Categories:

  • Physical structure and design
  • Accommodation of all internal and external programs
    • Student After-School/Sports Activities and Community Use
  • New Schools vs.  Remodel & Large Schools vs. Small
  • School Safety & Security
Physical Structure & Design - Jeff Faust

Jeff repeated that these are just brainstormed concepts and ideas.  The committee did not come to consensus on them. 
Additional comments from Mr. Faust:

  • plan ahead
  • a place kids really want to come to
  • safety/security design should include school grounds/ fields
  • safe, healthy materials used in construction
  • expandable or flexible to respond to changes in population, staffing
  • design to accommodate community needs and special programs
Student After-School/Sports Activities and Community Use -  Stan Manley

New Schools vs.  Remodel & Large Schools vs. Small - David Brewer, Bill Hirsh

David  listed the factors his subcommittee feels should be considered  in building new schools or remodeling of old schools. 

Bill Hirsh described the group’s analysis and vision of smaller schools within a larger school.  He talked about definitions of ‘large’ and ‘small’ schools and how they may differ around the state and the country.   Larger schools may be able to support more programs.  School size is an instructional issue, he feels, and it will be important to work with the Educational Programs task group. 

The subcommittee believes that it is important to look at an extended period such as 50 years when planning for replacement, and that the community should plan for phased replacement of all 4J buildings.  While replacement is recommended, he acknowledged that realistically it might not happen in the foreseeable future.  He estimated the cost of a new high school to be $40 million; a new elementary school $8 million, including architect’s fees and permits. 

School Safety and Security - Tod Schneider, Eugene Police Department

Mr. Schneider is a crime prevention specialist, with interests in  crime prevention through environmental design and school safety issues.   He cautioned against thinking that school design is the place to prevent juvenile homicides;  the vast majority do not occur in school buildings. 

He described the basic concepts of “crime prevention through environmental design.” 

  • Natural surveillance: how well can you see what’s going on; opening up the lines of vision; mirrors and windows.
  • Natural access control:  limiting the ways in and out of building; controlling access to school site as a whole;
  • Territoriality: ways to establish who’s supposed to be there and who’s not, and how you can tell.
    • uniforms can be very effective
    • badges can easily get lost
    • Increasingly the office/entry design and location is seen as key factor, the guardian of the school.
He warned against over-reaction to the threat of violence that can turn schools into prisons and make the main function of the school secondary to security.   It reinforces fear and is counter-productive to helping students feel safe and welcomed.  Security technology should be approached cautiously, first carefully defining the problems you need to solve.  He advises that communication devices, such as display pagers, be the top priority.  His wish list includes:
  • Every principal sees the CPTED research/analysis that he does
  • Schools should be positive, non-threatening and build hope instead of reinforcing fear
  • Need to involve architects so that they understand and incorporate CPTED standards in their design
Questions/Dialogue:
  1. Assuming we have vacant properties, what policies should we apply to their use and that of other properties that consolidation or closure make available? //  Not yet addressed; will look at.
  2. Is the hybrid model (several small schools within one large school) one that you are going to recommend?  // It is not purely a facilities issue and we want to work with other task groups to come up with a combined answer.
  3. A concern that other community uses of facilities, such as for SMART programs and senior citizens’ use, than the playing fields, be included in your discussion.  // Yes, that is something we overlooked including in our list of building uses.
  4. Has the group talked about school siting in the city, and figuring out ways to preserve that important sense of neighborhood connectedness?  // Yes, we have talked about that.  That’s one of the tensions about going to larger schools.  That will be part of our final report.
  5. An idea was suggested of combining all the language immersion schools in one, for instance, or for locating alternative schools within  neighborhoods unless this presents liability issues.
  6. Work space needs to be provided for the professional activity of teachers to facilitate their planning and collaborative and individual work.  // Yes, we will include that in our discussions.
  7. The group was advised to be cautious about responding to trends in their recommendations for facilities planning.  If we’re talking a 50 year life cycle, we may not want to be too trendy.  // We are going to need to work with the Instruction task force and have them tell us how they see education twenty to fifty years from now and think about how we’re going to design spaces to fit that model or some other model.
  8. The Bethel Elementary School is a model of a combined facility, and we may want to have one of our meetings out there and take a look at it.
  9. Transportation needs to be about more than access.  We need to look at the relationship between community, alternative modes, making those modes safer for children in the future.  There is a role for schools to play.
Jeff Faust, David Brewer, Bill Hirsh, Tod Schneider, Stan Manley

Facilities Task Group -Secondary Report

Mr. McConochie, a psychologist with experience in measuring violence-proneness, presented suggestions on how the psychological and sociological aspects of violence-proneness might be addressed in an ideal school system of the future, and provided a hand-out indicating that research to date suggests that violence-proneness is an aspect of the broader human trait which may be termed “civility.”  He suggests that civility is 50% inherited and 50% learned, and it can be taught.   Therefore, the ideal school system will overtly endorse and teach civility:
  •  Having a written statement of endorsement by the school of the many aspects of civility, and expecting attending students and their parents to endorse them as well.
  • Providing direct teaching of civility throughout the schooling process.
  • Providing workshops for parents to teach them how they can reinforce and augment aspects of civility in a child’s home life.
  • Teach parenting skills at the high school level so that high school graduates will enter parenthood well-prepared to raise children who are civil.
Mr. McConochie also suggested that an ideal school system would develop programs of prevention, diagnosis and referral for treatment of the following psychological traits that tend to put children at risk for violence: 
  • Feelings of academic failure
  • Rigid thinking
  • Impulsivity
  • Rejection
  • Low Guilt and Unresolved Anger
  • Hostile Pleasure
  • Gun Skill and Access
  • Homicide Endorsement
  • Closed to Help
  • Not willing to help stop violence
The National School Safety Center site at http://www.nssc1.org/home.htm lists 40 suggestions for school safety, many of which are parallel to those presented by Mr. McConochie.
Bill McConochie, Ph.D
7:55-8:40

Resources Task Group

Primary Sources of Information 
  1. Presentations from the 4J classified, certified and administrative employee groups on the major challenges and issues facing each. 
  2. Presentations by representatives of the local colleges and universities that offer teacher education programs about pre-service training for teachers.
  3. Member of the Teacher Standards and Practices Commission presented the commission’s view of the challenges of recruiting a diverse and competent workforce.
  4. 4J Staff from various divisions within the district including Human Resources, Instruction, Special Education, Financial Services, and Staff and Community Relations.
Primary Focus:

The three basic thrusts of their work have been: human resources, community resources (a subset of human resources), and financial resources.  However, they have only begun to look at financial resources.  They first set out to find out what is, then to look at what has happened over the past ten years and pre-Ballot Measure 5. This evening’s presentation also covered some of their areas of concern to indicate where their thinking is going.

Human Resources - Wally Bryant

Wally presented a demographic profile of District 4J.  Key points  included:

  • Recruitment of minorities: a key concern, as they currently represent only 7% of the 4J workforce up from 5.5% in 1995. 
  • By 2001, the goal is to have teachers and administrators reflect the student population.  Recruitment is key.
  • The 4J workforce is aging, with the average age over 45 in all employee groups.
  • In the next 5 years, it is possible 171 people will retire.
A comparison of figures for the years 1989-90, 1995-96, and 1999-2000 in the district reveal the following: 
  • At all 3 levels - elementary, middle school, high school - the FTE has declined while student enrollment went up.  4J is serving 1,000 additional students with fewer staff.
  • Post Ballot Measure 5, some curricular areas or support services have been particularly affected: i.e. counseling staff at the Elementary level in 89-90 were 13.0 whereas in 99-00, the number is 0.5.
Wally noted that the figures are in current dollars based on the CPI.  It was pointed out that the FTE figures refer to certified staff funded out of the district’s General Fund.  It does not include positions that might be grant-funded for short periods of time.  The group provided a handout which includes a more detailed description of some of key academic program changes since the 1980s.

Community Resources - Svea Gold

She described some concerns she’s encountered in talking with teachers about their needs and the direction that has taken. 

  • Focus on testing takes time away from instruction.
  • Testing communicates a sense of failure to students who do not measure up to the test standards.
  • There are more students with special needs in the public schools, and more agencies competing for the (mostly) federal dollars to address them.
  • Many students are coming to school not ready to learn.
  • Need to explore the use of volunteers, ensuring they get adequate training.  Ideas/suggestions included establishing a central place for screening/clearance of volunteers; a trained volunteer coordinator, train the volunteers to study/observe children to help sort out their needs. 
  • Suggests that we try not teaching reading in K-2.  Need to try to figure out what is going in to students and less of what is coming out (in terms of test scores). 
  • Need to engage teachers in understanding how to meet the needs of a diverse clientele.
Financial Resources - Kaye Robinette

The issues they will be looking at regarding financial resources include:

  • Further comparisons of the current situation and that of pre-Ballot Measure 5
  • What  schools are required to do now that was not required ten years ago - without additional funding
  • Consequences of greater demands on staff
Questions/Dialogue:
  1. What about the coordination of resources in the community?  // It was suggested that the city could coordinate all the volunteers, do the background checking, then identify who wants to work in schools or elsewhere for the city.   Some sort of coordination is needed.
  2. What about the possibility that comprehensive assessment be done as a child comes into the system to determine what needs to be added, what needs to come into this child?  // Kids disadvantaged from childhood have many deficits that impact their ability to learn. These deficits can be identified and addressed.
  3. Facilities and Resources both have to address the interconnectedness and potential in co-location of services and sharing of facilities.  //Community Engagement task group is looking at this.
  4. Determining the need for financial resources may need to wait until other task groups’ recommendations are forthcoming, then opportunities for partnerships and collaborations may surface.   //There is a concern about collaborations built to attract outside (i.e. federal) dollars.  Instead, local resources need to be developed and collaborations developed among local partners.
  5. There may be some legal issues in trying (as educators) to address the needs of special needs kids.
  6. Are there more refined indices to use than the CPI?  Costs may be substantially higher than we think. // We get, for children with special needs, about $10,000 from the federal government, and we spend about $17,000 per student, and some are much more expensive.
  7. Has the task group looked at what the actual costs would be to run a program?  //The group may look at program staffing and how to fund it.
The opinion was expressed that it might be more cost-effective to spend dollars preventing the problems than developing and funding programs to address them.  The group’s handout described the areas of concern; however, Bette indicated they may not have recommendations that deal with all of them.
Bette Shoemaker, Kaye Robinette, Wally  Bryant, Svea Gold
8:40-9:25

School Choice Task Group

Hal reported that the group has been gathering information and formulating points for discussion.   David Piercy presented a statistical report to the task group that provides an overview of school choice in 4J (handout).  Hal pointed out that approximately 30% of 4J students go to something other than their neighborhood schools. The task group will describe what they have learned regarding the main qualitative characteristics of the current system, identify key issues and preliminary criteria to be used to evaluate a system of choice.  The group sought community input from people involved with different educational options and from those with particular concerns about choice.

Characteristics of Schools of Choice in District - Mike Dubick

He noted that the Choice task group is very large and diverse.  He presented the brainstormed list, and noted that the group is not at consensus yet.  Follow this link < http://www.4j.lane.edu/future/schoolchoice/dec8.html > to see the list.

Key Issues in Schools of Choice in District 4J - Jan VanderTuin

Jan directs a private alternative program that contracts with 4J and teaches kids hands-on building, framing.  He became involved because he wanted to expand the knowledge of school choice options around the country; to reduce the polarization around these issues.  He wants to bring education to the community and the community in to education.  He believes youth should study education so that they can have a true voice. 

Jan highlighted the relationship between choice and transportation, noting that it requires a systematic approach to fixing the problem throughout the city.   Educational programs on transportation are needed. He stated that he personally has appreciated the opportunity to hear all the perspectives, and wishes that the community could have that opportunity.

Criteria for Evaluating the School District’s Program of Choice 4J - Hal Sadofsky

Hal presented the task group’s key issues and concerns, as he perceives them to date.  The group has not had a chance to fully discuss them.

  • What should the parameters of choice be for us?  The task group needs to discuss, and so does the community.
  • The effect of choice programs on neighborhood schools.
  • How do alternative schools define themselves and what their alternatives are?
  • Is information about OTHER alternatives disseminated widely to students and parents?
  • Are resources fairly allocated?  It would be good to make this information as transparent as possible.
  • Access to district resources and more information about district resources.   Optional programs would like to be perceived as part of the public schools, not competitive with.
  • How do we evaluate alternative programs, especially their educational goals, philosophies. Evaluations need to reflect the goals and philosophies of the program and not merely be based on the performance of students on standardized tests.
There was a feeling that there needs to be choice between different educational programs, different educational goals and philosophies.  Students should be able to choose models that work best for them.  As a community we need to notice that there is movement in this direction, be proactive about it and not defensive.

Questions/Dialogue

The group was challenged to be more aggressive in visioning.   A lot of the work to date has been gathering information about what is working today and how it could be improved in the near future.   It was recommended that the group look farther into the future or broaden the context and address the unique challenge of describing what education could look like in 20 years.   The presentations from the various  interest groups were brief and there is much more information that they could provide and many more models out there to consider.  One SFC member asked that we talk about future alternatives or reframings of educational choice with the goals of keeping community, supporting democracy, of a sense of civic health and well-being as well as justice, equity and education for all children in our community. 

A  task group member suggested that one question that could come up is how much education takes place outside the walls of the school and the school pocketbook and who are the best educators in our community. 

Another question asked, would it be helpful to have a definition for “public” (in education)?  Is it tax-supported, universal?  The SFC member suggests that what we have is compulsory education.   Education is a resource-constrained system in which related policy goals have evolved over time and compete or generate conflicts: 

  • Efficiency as a starting point: the most good for the most students at the least price
  • Categorical programs equity-based to meet the needs of special needs students
  • Excellence
  • Choice
  • Dignity ( a variation on choice; the inclusion movement)
What would happen if you first define what public means and then look at resource distribution and impacts with choice also a goal?  This might help develop a longer view, instead of focusing on the individual choice options.

A member of the audience requested that the committee explore the tension down the road between charter and public schools, and what opportunities there might be to share some of the visionary ideas in charter schools with the neighborhood schools.  It was noted that there is also innovation and difference among neighborhood schools.

Hal Sadofsky, Mike Dubick, Jan VanderTuin

Next Meeting:

Margot noted that the next SFC meeting is February 8.  An agenda will be generated.
9:25 Adjourned
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